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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2011, 04:09:53 PM »
Move this back, android isn't just a mobile device.

Quote from: wikipedia
Android is an operating system for mobile devices such as smartphones and tablet computers.

Anyway back on topic.. What I mean by you cant expect a jailbroken device to have the same reliability as a standard device is very reasonable. Apple designed iOS to run on the devices as is, they designed the devices to run iOS on the specific hardware. Modifying this with jailbroken systems upsets the balance, especially by installing apps that are not certified for the device, and may not run correctly on said device.

Akin to running a petrol car with NOx, it may run, but you cannot expect this modified car to last/run as reliably as a stock engine that was designed for its purpose
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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2011, 04:55:44 PM »
Akin to running a petrol car with NOx, it may run, but you cannot expect this modified car to last/run as reliably as a stock engine that was designed for its purpose
Oho, you must be thinking of iDroid, the project that wants to put Android on iDevices. How about an example closer to home? Try fuel additives.

Move this back, android isn't just a mobile device.
Quote from: wikipedia
Android is an operating system for mobile devices such as smartphones and tablet computers.
We must tread carefully in this territory.
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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2011, 07:10:35 PM »
lolz Pinako lolz.... those guys think of everything!

Anyway back on topic.. What I mean by you cant expect a jailbroken device to have the same reliability as a standard device is very reasonable. Apple designed iOS to run on the devices as is, they designed the devices to run iOS on the specific hardware. Modifying this with jailbroken systems upsets the balance, especially by installing apps that are not certified for the device, and may not run correctly on said device.
On the other hand i think 99% of the smart phones and such as well gaming systems ARE in fact held back. not for safety reasons but for idiotic reasons... look into the history of various devices i know for a fact Sony held back the CPU's hrz why? who knows... but when modders let it free sony had too lol...

Hell i could of booted windows 98 even xp (lolz) on my psp's if i knew their original FW version lol (dont down grade under manu installed FW) granted not useful but just to prove a point...

Akin to running a petrol car with NOx, it may run, but you cannot expect this modified car to last/run as reliably as a stock engine that was designed for its purpose

im guessing Akin is a race car from Europe? as googling got nothing... however NOx is a polutant even if we could run a car on it, it would be far too expensive to collect it lol.

however if im guessing what your saying is right, that you cant run a nascar on regular fuel well... i think your wrong. right out of the box no you cant but if you mod a few parts here and their (esp spark plugs lol) you will in fact get a nascar to run on regular gas (the best normal gas out their but normal gas you can buy at the pumps non the less)


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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2011, 07:13:18 PM »
Upsets the balance to try and actually do basic stuff like transfer/receive files via bluetooth? My ipod touch is on iOS 4 and it still doesnt have that functionality despite being around for much longer than Android :P

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2011, 08:04:53 AM »
lol wtf confuser a $50 phone does that here...

maybe with jobs gone we will see real good stuff from apples products...


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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2011, 01:03:37 PM »
like transfer/receive files via bluetooth?

You're still stuck in the old desktop with files and folders mindset...

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2011, 02:32:53 PM »
like transfer/receive files via bluetooth?

You're still stuck in the old desktop with files and folders mindset...

I want to wirelessly sync an MP3 that I recorded myself to my phone without the use of a cable or the internet.

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2011, 05:23:37 PM »
like transfer/receive files via bluetooth?
You're still stuck in the old desktop with files and folders mindset...


If you think that Apple is encouraging the right mindset, I submit that you are mistaken. On small iDevices, there is indeed a de-emphasis of the desktop-file-folder model; it works because each application essentially operates in a sandbox and does not care about anyone else's data. But as soon as applications need to share data, there needs to be a communication channel of sorts. Traditionally, the hierarchical filesystem structure has been the basis of such communication. To preserve the sandbox model, iOS lets applications pass copies of data to each other. This is awkward, but iPhone users don't really run into this problem very often. iPad users, however, sometimes like to perform more complicated office tasks; therefore, there is a rudimentary filesystem model on larger iDevices. Android also has a sandbox+filesystem model, but the filesystem part is substantially more usable.

This, by the way, contributes to the situation with multimedia files on iDevices. If I want to load some audio onto my iPad, I cannot simply drop my files into a shared storage area on the iPad. Instead, I must use iTunes to synchronize the data into the iPod application's sandbox. The audio data belong to the iPod application. But the data should belong to me, and I want to use them with other applications (on the PC and on the iPad) seamlessly. This perversion of ownership for the sake of protection (of the user against himself/herself) is unacceptable in the face of interoperability.

There are plenty of things that are wrong with the desktop-file-folder model, but I think Apple's solution is awkward at best. They should just give us a traditional filesystem to play with while they work on something better. Meanwhile, I jailbreak to free my data.

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2011, 07:15:59 PM »
*watches the flame from a distance. Pour some fuel occasionally*

Good point by Pinako, I'm not sure about how Apple's thinking (or how iCloud works), but can't we share files via the cloud? Data needed by applications will get their own box and data that needs to be shared could go into a file-folder structure in the cloud.


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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2011, 08:01:49 PM »
Why I Will Never Buy an Android Phone Again (a short story):

Last July I was looking for a new phone because my LG Dare, which I had for about 2.5 years, would die every evening regardless of how much I used it.  In fact, I could have it fully charged but when I woke up the next morning it would be dead if it wasn't plugged in.  I called Verizon and went to a couple different stores and they presented me 2 options, either the HTC Droid Eris or the HTC Droid Incredible.  I opted for the Eris because it was cheaper, in stock (where as the Incredible was back ordered by at least 1 month), and I didn't understand why my phone would need a 1Ghz processor (the Eris has a 512Mhz I believe).  Bought the phone and things went relatively well.  However, for the first 2 weeks of having it I had major issues.  I would frequently answer/place a call and have no audio on my end.  The microphone and speaker just wouldn't work.  Unfortunately, I couldn't replicate the problem reliably so my attempts to get Verizon to fix it where futile.  My major concern was if I ever had to make an emergency call and the person on the other end couldn't hear me.  However, about 2 weeks later my phone magically downloaded a software update and I haven't had that problem since.

When I bought my phone it came with 288MB RAM and an 8GB microSD card which I thought was plenty of storage.  Lesson learned, this is no where near enough space.  Apparently, one of the little features they don't tell you is that you can't put apps on that SD card so you are limited to the internal memory on the phone.  This is one of the most annoying features I have ever seen.  I have a number of apps on my phone that I need (SSH Client, FTP Client, network security tools, etc).  The only game I have is Solitaire and it barely fits.  In fact, I frequently have to clear out recent text messages to have space left on the device.  Now, when I say space left on the device, I mean the following:  For some reason when my internal storage gets below 20MB I start getting warnings that I am low on space.  There is no way to get rid of or clear these warnings other than clear space.  Highly annoying because when this warning is triggered my phone stops receiving emails, etc.  It also kills the battery ASAP.

I am aware that Android 2.2 allows for Apps to go on the SD card.  Unfortunately, my phone does not support it natively.  In fact, about 2 weeks after I bought my Eris, Verizon stopped selling them and supporting them.  Therefore, no Android updates.

Current situation.  Using the internet browser on it is challenging to say the least.  It frequently just closes randomly and I have to start over from square 1.  I occasionally get SSL certificate errors for sites like google.com (for some reason www.google.com/m/ is not covered under the certificate for www.google.com, etc).  And I don't even dream of trying to go to Google Plus's mobile site because at that point my phone just vomits everywhere and complains that I have exhausted my memory for internet storage.

Battery Life.  I charge my phone every night and even with light usage the battery drains quickly.  I do everything I can to save power.  I have task killer installed and use it every time I use the phone, brightness is all the way down, etc.  The battery life is terrible.  I hesitate to use the phone to listen to music or stream video because the battery dies quickly.  Using the Google Maps navigation is out of the question unless I have it plugged in in the car.  It won't last a 2 hour trek.  O, and if I do have my phone plugged in while using a service like Spotify to stream music, my battery still declines.  In other words, the charger can't match the power consumption of the phone.

On the plus side, I went to the Apple store this afternoon and played with the iPhones.  I am counting down the days until February 22 when I am eligible to get one.  It will be a very happy day having a phone that works as it should.  Couple of questions though.  Does anyone know if there are SSH/FTP client applications available for iPhone?

I can't wait.

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2011, 10:38:02 PM »
My experiences with Android: near worthless out of the box, be prepared to root and install a custom kernel and rom.

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2011, 10:44:18 PM »
On the plus side, I went to the Apple store this afternoon and played with the iPhones.  I am counting down the days until February 22 when I am eligible to get one.  It will be a very happy day having a phone that works as it should.  Couple of questions though.  Does anyone know if there are SSH/FTP client applications available for iPhone?

iunno, but I use iSSH on my iPad and it does the job. I've never tried FTP.

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2011, 12:40:16 PM »
Task Killer? Theres a problem right there, yes it saves battery power but it also causes more random reboots than its worth. Tried it for a week, power drain was a lot less, but kept getting random reboots, once i had it 4 times in a row.

Had similar problem with my phone, had to wait months to get update to 2.1 from 1.6. Then SE announced no more updates and that it didnt need a later version of android... idiots, App2SD is very much needed. Rooted and flashed a custom rom, havent had any issues with it except for the odd reboot here and there, devs over at XDA even managed to add multi-touch support

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2011, 03:19:11 PM »
No task killer.

Task killers are actually bad for your system and battery life. Android will constantly re-start tasks you kill, draining your battery faster.

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2011, 07:27:29 PM »
hm. Let me buy another android phone, then.

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Re: I'm done with android.
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2011, 11:18:45 PM »
No worries.  iPad inbound so will check it out and see how I like it for expanding to iPhone, etc.